Request: Maybe can become an IDE?

[samuel1991]

I would like to have a debugging, compile functions. This is similar to JCreator etc.....


Since there are syntax files for Java language, so why not have a Java IDE?

Also, I suggest for similar features for other scripts, from VB to anything programming that is not mentioned.

[Arthur]

AFAIK, the philosophy around HE is not to replicate an IDE.
Unfortunately, I think your request will be turned down.
This is due to several factors:
- one already can compile using tools (command-line compiler);
- debugging, if you mean the one that will suspend execution, then that is not trivial;
- since HE supports so many diverse languages/scripts it will take a long time to incorporate this functionality that is quite unique from language to language;
- as the last item, I'd say it is unknown if one language or another will proliferate or be most edited using HE, so for example it seems Java has entered a phase out stage as a language.

[samuel1991]

Sorry for not knowing the philiosophy of HE, my bad, since i am a newbie.

Regarding

one already can compile using tools (command-line compiler);

, I believe not everyone knows how to do it that way. (I never tried once with a success, all failures and do not know why). This is why an IDE can sell for $60+ or more USD.

Regarding

debugging, if you mean the one that will suspend execution, then that is not trivial;

, true enough. Well more features may introduce more bugs, but maybe HE can consider a light and full version? (With different pricing?)

Regarding

- since HE supports so many diverse languages/scripts it will take a long time to incorporate this functionality that is quite unique from language to language;

, true enough. I agree on it. But I am not requesting that for Version 1.4X,1.5X or even 1.6X lines but Version 2.0 or sort of where the HE is almost written completely from scratch.

Lastly, regarding

- as the last item, I'd say it is unknown if one language or another will proliferate or be most edited using HE, so for example it seems Java has entered a phase out stage as a language.

. I will agree on it. It will be an wasted efforts for author to do it without high level usage. However, as of now, Windows 98 & ME is completely phased out by Microsoft. Unsupported, no security fix, less alone a service pack, market share for both combined is less than 2% in the world (Found in Wikipedia) and why does the author create a 98/ME version for it? Does it mean that it is going to be unsupported for 1.5X lines? (If Version 2 has no legacy Win 98/ME support, I would not be surprised as by then I would be expecting a Windows 7 SP1)

[Arthur]

I believe not everyone knows how to do it that way. (I never tried once with a success, all failures and do not know why). This is why an IDE can sell for $60+ or more USD.

I would say every respectful command line compiler includes command line switches displayed if one types something like mycompiler.exe /? or mycompiler -help.
That is a good starting point for anybody to incorporate a well-tuned compile command into HE's tool menu.
Besides, many programmers opt for compiling their code this way simply because the command line compiling if not is giving you more options definitely does give you more control. Also, running some scripts this way often turns out to be the only possibility.

[samuel1991]

I think I will get some time to try again if possible. I am bad in command line-ing

[Stefan]

I think I will get some time to try again if possible. I am bad in command line-ing

Hi samuel,

if you have any question just ask. We all have started once without any knowledge

I believe here are some good people helping out not to forget Alex itself of course.



An good start may be to browse this forum and read all posts,
(thing i do if i am new to an tool, sitting the evening and weekend reading old posts to enlighten myself )
 especially the FAQ section, f.ex. this:

http://forum.hippoedit.com/index.php/topic,267.0.html
http://forum.hippoedit.com/index.php/topic,13.0.html
http://forum.hippoedit.com/index.php/topic,143.0.html
http://forum.hippoedit.com/index.php/topic,92.0.html


CU

[alex]

Hi Samuel,

from my opinion, generic text editor would never win against proprietary IDE, first because lack of knowledge in topic and second because of lack of resources (generic text editor need to support all languages, where explicit IDE cam concentrate on one). So spending of resources in this direction would be waste and never ending run after the leader. HE need to find such area which is not covered by IDEs: script languages without explicit IDE or just a tool for quick editing, when starting of IDE is too much.

Also building in all these features would convert HE in monster like UltraEdit with milions of features you never need. Creating of the plugins is a right way. Where syntax dependent plugin can gather all related functionality and can be installed by demand only by people who require it. This was already requested some when by Arthur. And maybe in such way debugger support for VBscript or JavaScript can come. Or some simplified compile, run commands for other languages or auto completion. But this is big work, and you really need to have a market for this. Because, I think, any way people would prefer to use dedicated IDEs instead of some limited tool when they do big projects.

About the 98/Me support. It is easy to keep it when it already done, and gives benefits against other editors do not having such support. But maybe yes, some when would be dropped, but do not know when.

Best regards,
Alex.