I wish I would be able to FTP documents

[Arthur]

I wish I would be able to FTP documents from within the HippoEdit.

[Stefan]

I am not. There are FTP Tools to transfer files from and to server.

[alex]

Thanks Stefan

I have this feature in the list, and other people have also requested it.

But I would agree with Stefan, that there are a lot of FTP tools that already can do this. And I think should be some shell extensions that can be seen direclty in File Explorer.

I would place this in priority list lower then text editor enhancements, but would implement basic FTP client functionality with a time as a plugin. Because generally you need it only if you are editing files on server (php, html, java scripts etc) but for other people such functions are not necessary.

[Arthur]

Perhaps secure shell FTP (SFTP) shall be considered as well.

[Arthur]

Well, it would be neat to be able to upload the whole HE project to an FTP location... is this feature coming any time soon?

[allen]

This is just my two cents -- but I've watched as my favorite text editors added built in FTP functionality.  The first couple times, I was excited. . . then disappointed.  They never perform on part with dedicated ftp clients (how could they) and effectively just serve functionality that you could replicate using the Tools menu -- whether using it to route your files to an actual ftp client or a more simple uploader.  I, personally, would much rather man hours were spent on more meaningful functionality.

If I want advanced FTP functionality -- uploading projects, comparing directory contents, batch uploading files in a specific order--I will launch FileZilla or CuteFtp or whatever full client.  If I just need a no frills, quick, afterthought upload I use rcFTP to upload directly from my editor to my ftp server, with just a couple clicks.  I just don't think built in ftp functionality is worth it in a text editor.

Obviously, though, I'm not the authority on this--and am very probably in the minority.

[Stefan]

Thanks allen,
that's pretty what i think nowadays about such extra value features.

I admit i was after such features in the past too, and i still think it would be great to have all this features in one single tool.
(because you just would download the app at an friends home and have all you need)
But i know there is a lot of work to code such functionality.
This time the developer can spend to enhance the core  editor functionality.
Perhaps for HippoEDIT v13 we should ask again for such features


P.S. for others who find this thread: search FAQ section for "external tool" to get an HowTo add FTP or Diff to HippoEDIT

[alex]

I already have shared my opinion. I think FTP client functionality in limited implementation and only as plugin is really valuable functionality.
But in my priority list it is lower then usability or new text editor functionality.

But I got also some other feedbacks, similar to Arthur meaning, and I can also understand them. I would like to share here comments from one user (Tracy D.) I got yesterday (I hope he would not mind and there is no something confidential on my point of view). He just describes how this is done in EditPlus, and I like the way it has:

but I'm very addicted to their builtin FTP. It is fully and almost transparently integrated into their directory/file browser pane. It essentially makes an FTP site look and act just like a normal drive. Once you open an FTP site you can browse it, double-click a file to edit it, hit Ctrl-S to save it back again, create directories, etc. Since I edit a LOT of files on web servers, that feature is absolutely indispensible to me. It makes my job SO much easier and faster not having to mess with a separate FTP client.

[Theno]

Actually this is my wish too. Of course Alex will give the final decision and I unterstand his point. I think he is right in most of the parts but I don't think same for internal ftp. I don't want an editor that does everything as well. But the point here is doing more thing with less performance loss. I don't think that the idea "you can do it with another program so why do you want it to be embedded" is right. If it is so, we don't need Hippo edit too we can use 3 different editor at the same time to do everything, it can.

So the point here is doing the job more efficiently. I will edit my file in hippo edit and go another program to connect ftp and upload. Then I will get another file from ftp go back to hippo edit, edit my file and return to ftp and upload. It is very time consuming and not efficient especially if you do web programming or web site administration. Just going between programs can take your hours in a day.

I know this is not for common users maybe but it would be wonderful for me I don't know how much percent of the users of HippoEdit do web programming but most of the editors nowadays have ftp.

Also if there are users that just want a notepad replacement or more lighter editor then more workspaces can be crated and users can switch between them when they want, like dreamweaver or photoshop. So if the user won't use it anymore he can switch the workspace and ftp tool is not even loaded in the editor.

And I also liked the Tracy D's idea that Alex wrote below but a basic ftp will be enough for me. Otherwise it is a lot work to do. Maybe it can be taken into to the todo list in the near future

[alex]

Just as a temporary workaround for those who want seamless integration but do not to wait:
I think there should be FTP clients working as shell extensions. Such FTP client can be accessed from withing HE already now, when using File Explorer.
And I think they can handle load/save of files from FTP transparently for application using them...
But this not checked, but I hope it will work

[Theno]

If you can explain hoıw to do and where to find such a client I can give it a try.

Thanks...

[alex]

Hi Theno,

is Google stop working?
Try to search ftp client shell extension windows explorer

Chili FTP - A good looking working FTP client with focus on stability and ease of use. Supports drag and drop both from and to Explorer. Integration with Internet Explorer to handle ftp-links (optional). Shell extension in Explorer for fast file uploading.
Internet Neighborhood Pro - Internet Neighborhood lets you access FTP servers within Windows Explorer. A Windows shell extension that lets you browse remote FTP sites, upload and download entire directory structures and manage files as if they were on your local hard drive.

Best regards,
Alex.

P.S: I am not against the FTP plugin, but my resources it limited and I give higher weight to that functionality that can be consumed by all people or interesting personally me

[SynCap]

so many talks about FTP client, IMHO - don't mind it!

because in Windows before Vista you can do that - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/217888/EN-US/
on Vista/Win7 like this - http://www.winvistaclub.com/t213.html

tune up FTP folders and use it in Hippo's File Explorer.

if smart syncronization of local copies of files with FTP/sFTP needed - use standalone tools!
long age practice shows - no one editor with embedded FTP client don't give absolutly clean working with FTP more than Windows give.

forget about builtin FTP client! don't kill nice code editor!

[Theno]

FTP was always a part of windows but never became efficient and enough so it is not a good option for me, but I will check the links you gave Alex, I will inform you.

Thanks...